Comments on: Burkas–The new fashion http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/ A community about parenting, Judaism, and Israeli living. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:24:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: mother in israel http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-10995 mother in israel Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:07:40 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-10995 Aviva, I have seen that and considered writing about it. Not because I am offended by how they dress, but it does seem like some kind of cognitive dissonance. Aviva, I have seen that and considered writing about it. Not because I am offended by how they dress, but it does seem like some kind of cognitive dissonance.

]]> By: Aviva http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-10989 Aviva Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:29:05 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-10989 Whilst to most people (myself included) this style of dress and behavior is over the top, (and ironically it could be seen as immodest as it draws rather than deflects attention) it is nonetheless a rather limited phenomenon. On the other hand, much more problematic is the widespread, shocking lack of modesty displayed by many religious girls and women from all streams of Judaism. Even when dressed nominally halachically, they are often very far from modest. Maybe your next blog could be on women who cover their hair and show cleavage. Whilst to most people (myself included) this style of dress and behavior is over the top, (and ironically it could be seen as immodest as it draws rather than deflects attention) it is nonetheless a rather limited phenomenon. On the other hand, much more problematic is the widespread, shocking lack of modesty displayed by many religious girls and women from all streams of Judaism. Even when dressed nominally halachically, they are often very far from modest. Maybe your next blog could be on women who cover their hair and show cleavage.

]]> By: Chaya http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-9826 Chaya Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:47:38 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-9826 Sorry--that was Rivkah, not Rochel. Sorry–that was Rivkah, not Rochel.

]]> By: Chaya http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-9825 Chaya Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:38:44 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-9825 Rochel covered her face when she saw Yitzchak, so she must have had some head covering close by and some practice doing it. There are rumors that women covered their heads to enter the Temple. Can anyone give more information? Does that mean that ordinarily women did not cover their heads? Also, apparantly there used to be a woman's prayer shawl with markings different from that of men. Is this true? Rochel covered her face when she saw Yitzchak, so she must have had some head covering close by and some practice doing it. There are rumors that women covered their heads to enter the Temple. Can anyone give more information? Does that mean that ordinarily women did not cover their heads? Also, apparantly there used to be a woman’s prayer shawl with markings different from that of men. Is this true?

]]> By: SnoopyTheGoon http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-9033 SnoopyTheGoon Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:21:03 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-9033 Oy vey... Oy vey…

]]> By: mominisrael http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-8570 mominisrael Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:51:03 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-8570 Leah, thanks as always for clarifying details and sharing your perspective. Leah, thanks as always for clarifying details and sharing your perspective.

]]> By: Leah Peretz http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-8554 Leah Peretz Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:07:14 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-8554 Just to get a misunderstanding out of the way: Bruria Keren and all the riots that are happening for which Bet Shemesh got infamous for, are from Ramat Bet Shemesh BET, not ALEF. Alef has Dati-Leumi and Charedi residents (great part of Alef is Anglo) whereas Bet is Ultra-Orthodox mostly. Also in our Dati-Leumi community in Bet Shemesh the women wear shaitels. The Sephardi women usually don't wear shaitels (no Sephardi Torah authority ever allowed it since the need has never arissen), but unfortunately the young women many times do out of vanity, peer pressure or marrying an Ashkenazi husband. Just to get a misunderstanding out of the way: Bruria Keren and all the riots that are happening for which Bet Shemesh got infamous for, are from Ramat Bet Shemesh BET, not ALEF. Alef has Dati-Leumi and Charedi residents (great part of Alef is Anglo) whereas Bet is Ultra-Orthodox mostly.
Also in our Dati-Leumi community in Bet Shemesh the women wear shaitels.
The Sephardi women usually don’t wear shaitels (no Sephardi Torah authority ever allowed it since the need has never arissen), but unfortunately the young women many times do out of vanity, peer pressure or marrying an Ashkenazi husband.

]]> By: publius http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-7680 publius Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:11:49 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-7680 After reading every single word here... come to this conclusion... this sect of Judism intents to stay in Jerusalem and believes that the West Bank will pass into Arab hands as part of the two state solution... so they are embracing the norms of islam more forthrighteously. Not doing so to invent new jewish customs, since it is appearnt that there was a time where the dress of women in some jewish sects matched the practices of islam. i am just saying this sect of judism is making a statement of conformity so to be be able to remain in west bank. not saying I agree with it, just my impression. Which brings me to an interesting pov, if peace can be abtained at some point those that choose to remain in arab governed west bank, don't you think that the expectation would be something along the burka dress, and if you don't like it leave, the alturnative is all will be forced to leave if some compromise is not obtained. It is not my choice, to say reject peace out of hand for those that would be willing to live as jews in communities within west bank under arab controll, specifically if there is strong pro quid pro to establish normal relations between arab and jews, real peace not fictional peace. the bridge to heal is for all to strive for. I think there is a strong desire of introspection on the part of arabs to look at islamic militalism as going no where. I am no apologist... for truely i beleive i understand the danger of arab govts in allowing openiness of democratic instutions to function under current climate of hatred, in if these govts are going to have to act to restrain the weakiness of the polis seeking to turn peace initatives into a ploy for power to continue the fight, then israelis are going to have make hard choices themselves in standing shoulder to shoulder with palestinians willing to make the choice of saying no to more violence. What a day that would be to see those that have the power on both sides waking up to the fact that they can send the whole bunch of these hotheads packing, all of them... be they arab or jews. that to is a choice just as continue bloodshed is a choice. an american pray After reading every single word here…
come to this conclusion… this sect of Judism intents to stay in Jerusalem and believes that the West Bank will pass into Arab hands as part of the two state solution… so they are embracing the norms of islam more forthrighteously.

Not doing so to invent new jewish customs, since it is appearnt that there was a time where the dress of women in some jewish sects matched the practices of islam. i am just saying this sect of judism is making a statement of conformity so to be be able to remain in west bank.
not saying I agree with it, just my impression.

Which brings me to an interesting pov, if peace can be abtained at some point those that choose to remain in arab governed west bank, don’t you think that the expectation would be something along the burka dress, and if you don’t like it leave, the alturnative is all will be forced to leave if some compromise is not obtained.
It is not my choice, to say reject peace out of hand for those that would be willing to live as jews in communities within west bank under arab controll, specifically if there is strong pro quid pro to establish normal relations between arab and jews, real peace not fictional peace.

the bridge to heal is for all to strive for.
I think there is a strong desire of introspection on the part of arabs to look at islamic militalism as going no where. I am no apologist… for truely i beleive i understand the danger of arab govts in allowing openiness of democratic instutions to function under current climate of hatred, in if these govts are going to have to act to restrain the weakiness of the polis seeking to turn peace initatives into a ploy for power to continue the fight, then israelis are going to have make hard choices themselves in standing shoulder to shoulder with palestinians willing to make the choice of saying no to more violence.

What a day that would be to see those that have the power on both sides waking up to the fact that they can send the whole bunch of these hotheads packing, all of them… be they arab or jews. that to is a choice just as continue bloodshed is a choice.
an american pray

]]> By: mother in israel http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-5817 mother in israel Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:42:32 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-5817 Autumn-- Of course you are welcome. I put your comments up as a separate post: http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2009/01/08/thoughts-on-face-covering-from-resident-of-arab-emirates/ Autumn–
Of course you are welcome. I put your comments up as a separate post:
http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2009/01/08/thoughts-on-face-covering-from-resident-of-arab-emirates/

]]> By: Autumn http://www.amotherinisrael.com/2007/12/25/burkas-the-new-fashion/comment-page-2/#comment-5816 Autumn Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:34:16 +0000 http://amotherinisrael.com/?p=311#comment-5816 for some reason it appears that the end of my comment got cut off ..Not being able to see clearly, or not being able to talk to people including one's own family, encumbering oneself with too many articles of clothing can all be quite problematic. By the way I am not Jewish, but I found this article and discussion very interesting and I hope you don't mind me commenting.. You also might be interested to know that I came across your blog because one of the muslim women's blogs posted a link to it - not this article but the one about the Jewish soldiers helping the Palestinian smugglers.. for some reason it appears that the end of my comment got cut off
..Not being able to see clearly, or not being able to talk to people including one’s own family, encumbering oneself with too many articles of clothing can all be quite problematic.
By the way I am not Jewish, but I found this article and discussion very interesting and I hope you don’t mind me commenting..
You also might be interested to know that I came across your blog because one of the muslim women’s blogs posted a link to it – not this article but the one about the Jewish soldiers helping the Palestinian smugglers..

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