Comments on: Misdiagnosed Miscarriage: Side Effect of Good Israeli Healthcare? http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/ A community surrounding parenting, Judaism, and Israeli living. Wed, 16 May 2012 19:32:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Helen http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22906 Helen Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:59:07 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22906 A lot of women would learn from your story. It is inspiring the way you never loosed hope and mastered how to lessen your worries. Congratulations on your beautiful baby girl. I hope you have more babies in the future. A lot of women would learn from your story. It is inspiring the way you never loosed hope and mastered how to lessen your worries. Congratulations on your beautiful baby girl. I hope you have more babies in the future.

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]]> By: Liora http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22905 Liora Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:17:28 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22905 I wonder if the diagnosis of early miscarriage based on u/s and other measures isn't MORE common than we think. This exact situation happened to a neighbor of mine. She was told at, I think, 11 weeks that the baby had died, and had no signs of life. She stopped taking vitamins, drank some beers, grieved a little - but had two other young kids to look after so kept busy- then went in for her D&C at a different hospital. They happened to take a look with u/s beforehand. She was not seeking a second opinion, but thank goodness they did double check. Her baby was alive and well and today is a beautiful toddler. Liora Beijing I wonder if the diagnosis of early miscarriage based on u/s and other measures isn’t MORE common than we think.

This exact situation happened to a neighbor of mine. She was told at, I think, 11 weeks that the baby had died, and had no signs of life. She stopped taking vitamins, drank some beers, grieved a little – but had two other young kids to look after so kept busy- then went in for her D&C at a different hospital. They happened to take a look with u/s beforehand.

She was not seeking a second opinion, but thank goodness they did double check. Her baby was alive and well and today is a beautiful toddler.

Liora
Beijing

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]]> By: Maya http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22861 Maya Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:46:03 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22861 That was a very well photographed gestational sac and we’re all sure it never developed. Only the misses get publicity. << This is exactly how I feel about my first pregnancy... I feel certain it was a miscarriage and I realize that only the misdiagnosed ones get publicity. At the same time, I felt that way then (and felt a bit bitter at the misdiagnosed miscarriage website for providing false hope) and went on to have a misdiagnosed miscarriage... so you never know! That was a very well photographed gestational sac and we’re all sure it never developed. Only the misses get publicity. << This is exactly how I feel about my first pregnancy… I feel certain it was a miscarriage and I realize that only the misdiagnosed ones get publicity. At the same time, I felt that way then (and felt a bit bitter at the misdiagnosed miscarriage website for providing false hope) and went on to have a misdiagnosed miscarriage… so you never know!
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]]> By: Alexis http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22850 Alexis Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:38:51 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22850 My RE knew at 6 weeks that I had a missed AB, but she did not officially diagnose it at that point. There was no fetal pole or heartbeat at 6w4d. A week later, no change. You could clearly see the empty sac on transvaginal u/s. I had multiple followups as I went through 2 failed rounds of misoprostol and a D&E. That was a very well photographed gestational sac and we're all sure it never developed. Only the misses get publicity. I know of many stories where an anembryonic pregnancy was correctly diagnosed before 8 weeks GA. REs, or OBs experienced in early pregnancy, can diagnose a missed AB early, but treatment shouldn't be offered until it's been confirmed (if there's been no change in a week, chances are, it won't change) and the RE/OB should handle things sensitively until results are definitive. BTW, I have never been able to get a heartbeat by Doppler until more like 15 weeks. If you have central obesity, you won't see it except by u/s. My RE knew at 6 weeks that I had a missed AB, but she did not officially diagnose it at that point. There was no fetal pole or heartbeat at 6w4d. A week later, no change. You could clearly see the empty sac on transvaginal u/s. I had multiple followups as I went through 2 failed rounds of misoprostol and a D&E. That was a very well photographed gestational sac and we’re all sure it never developed. Only the misses get publicity. I know of many stories where an anembryonic pregnancy was correctly diagnosed before 8 weeks GA.

REs, or OBs experienced in early pregnancy, can diagnose a missed AB early, but treatment shouldn’t be offered until it’s been confirmed (if there’s been no change in a week, chances are, it won’t change) and the RE/OB should handle things sensitively until results are definitive.

BTW, I have never been able to get a heartbeat by Doppler until more like 15 weeks. If you have central obesity, you won’t see it except by u/s.

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]]> By: Allan Katz http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22830 Allan Katz Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:12:38 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22830 Thanks for sharing. I sometimes wonder if all the information we are given and tests conducted are a good thing. The apprehension , fear and anxiety that goes with pregnancy today because of all the testing seems to go against the simcha and anticipation of a new member of the family. The tests should put a parent at ease but they seem to do the opposite Thanks for sharing. I sometimes wonder if all the information we are given and tests conducted are a good thing. The apprehension , fear and anxiety that goes with pregnancy today because of all the testing seems to go against the simcha and anticipation of a new member of the family. The tests should put a parent at ease but they seem to do the opposite
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]]> By: Ms. Krieger http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22827 Ms. Krieger Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:37:57 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22827 Maya, Thank you for sharing your story, and congratulations on your wonderful little one. I am horrified, though, that the health care system actually tries to diagnose miscarriages with a six week ultrasound. What stress! What uncertainty! What...ridiculous hubris. As you noted, it is so, so hard to tell anything when looking at a tiny blob. My experience in the US is that, except in rare cases, they can't do any conclusive tests before 10 weeks...the best women can do before then is eat well and take care of themselves. (At 10 weeks, a skilled practitioner can find a heartbeat with a Doppler-style stethoscope...no need for an ultrasound.) Until recently, the womb was a very private place. We could listen for heartbeats and gurgles and feel for kicks and wiggles...and the rest was a mystery until birth. In many ways that privacy made for a lot less stress. Maya,
Thank you for sharing your story, and congratulations on your wonderful little one.

I am horrified, though, that the health care system actually tries to diagnose miscarriages with a six week ultrasound. What stress! What uncertainty! What…ridiculous hubris. As you noted, it is so, so hard to tell anything when looking at a tiny blob.

My experience in the US is that, except in rare cases, they can’t do any conclusive tests before 10 weeks…the best women can do before then is eat well and take care of themselves. (At 10 weeks, a skilled practitioner can find a heartbeat with a Doppler-style stethoscope…no need for an ultrasound.)

Until recently, the womb was a very private place. We could listen for heartbeats and gurgles and feel for kicks and wiggles…and the rest was a mystery until birth. In many ways that privacy made for a lot less stress.

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]]> By: Anna http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22825 Anna Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:02:39 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22825 Indeed, you are right how less we know about human body and physiology. As being a mom of 3 kids sometimes I really prefer back there, 3-4-5 years ago not to know everything. The surprise is what makes your life! Indeed, you are right how less we know about human body and physiology. As being a mom of 3 kids sometimes I really prefer back there, 3-4-5 years ago not to know everything. The surprise is what makes your life!

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]]> By: Tania Elfersy ( http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22816 Tania Elfersy ( Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:03:41 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22816 This is a wonderful story to share. During my three pregnancies here, I swung between being grateful for the advanced prenatal care that is available, and feeling that women are way over-tested, leading to unnecessary stress. I guess it's hard to find the right balance when doctors claim technology can allow us to "know." Your story also reminds me of the (less dramatic) stories of pregnant women being told that their baby is "too large" to be delivered naturally (on the basis of an ultrasound weight estimate), when often the baby will come out an average or even less than average weight. In my case, with the birth of my second child, the incorrect ultrasound weight estimate worked in my favor. Before birth, my baby was estimated to be around 3.3kg. She came out closer to 4kg. Isn't it better that I didn't know I was about to push out my almost 4kg baby?! This is a wonderful story to share. During my three pregnancies here, I swung between being grateful for the advanced prenatal care that is available, and feeling that women are way over-tested, leading to unnecessary stress. I guess it’s hard to find the right balance when doctors claim technology can allow us to “know.”

Your story also reminds me of the (less dramatic) stories of pregnant women being told that their baby is “too large” to be delivered naturally (on the basis of an ultrasound weight estimate), when often the baby will come out an average or even less than average weight. In my case, with the birth of my second child, the incorrect ultrasound weight estimate worked in my favor. Before birth, my baby was estimated to be around 3.3kg. She came out closer to 4kg. Isn’t it better that I didn’t know I was about to push out my almost 4kg baby?!
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]]> By: Leah http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22813 Leah Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:25:22 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22813 Maya, mazal tov. The guidelines from Puah (Fertility and Halacha) Institute are not to consider an abortion before getting results from two different ultrasounds performed on different machines and by different doctors. US is not nearly as conclusive as we tend to think, to the extent that now women need to sign an informed consent form stating that they know that US results are not 100% . Maya, mazal tov.

The guidelines from Puah (Fertility and Halacha) Institute are not to consider an abortion before getting results from two different ultrasounds performed on different machines and by different doctors. US is not nearly as conclusive as we tend to think, to the extent that now women need to sign an informed consent form stating that they know that US results are not 100% .
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]]> By: Sheryl http://www.amotherinisrael.com/misdiagnosed-miscarriage-a-side-effect-of-good-israeli-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-22810 Sheryl Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:39:46 +0000 http://www.amotherinisrael.com/?p=6965#comment-22810 Thank you for posting this important information. I too had a missed miscarriage many years ago. It was so devastating to hear the doctor say he can't find the embryo. He said there was no mistake, but I got a second ultrasound by another doctor, who confirmed the demise of the embryo. I think it was at 11 weeks, so less chance for error at that point. But after reading your story, I feel less like a crazy person for insisting on a second opinion. Thank you for posting this important information. I too had a missed miscarriage many years ago. It was so devastating to hear the doctor say he can’t find the embryo. He said there was no mistake, but I got a second ultrasound by another doctor, who confirmed the demise of the embryo. I think it was at 11 weeks, so less chance for error at that point. But after reading your story, I feel less like a crazy person for insisting on a second opinion.

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